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A very new report alleging a chemical attack in Jobar, 28 Nov 2013.<br /><br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7PCop3YIic&feature=youtu.be<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-19266403920914206172013-10-10T12:54:03.538+01:002013-10-10T12:54:03.538+01:00Damn good compendium, SASA, apparent overall grasp...Damn good compendium, SASA, apparent overall grasp and fair tone (didn't nit-pick through it though), nothing missing I noticed, and it runs a bit past our once-running tally at ACLOS. Sometimes I wonder if you must be more than one person, but I guess you do have good stuff (like ours) to start with, just like we have others' to start with (including yours, maybe). To add, only what'sso new you probably missed it, our Saraqeb, April 29 analysis taking off: http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Alleged_Chemical_Attack,_April_29,_2013 Caustic Logichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03082923821952309709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-16289865827577690312013-10-09T06:31:05.456+01:002013-10-09T06:31:05.456+01:00Wikipedia is incomplete. IMPA is metabolite of Sa...Wikipedia is incomplete. IMPA is metabolite of Sarin and DIMP. They mention the lethal dose of IMPA, not Dimp...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-10936884390895001972013-10-09T00:58:15.732+01:002013-10-09T00:58:15.732+01:00Added to the post.
Thank you for contributing!Added to the post.<br />Thank you for contributing!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-83555055856045738562013-10-08T20:42:27.943+01:002013-10-08T20:42:27.943+01:00Wikipedia now lists IMPA as number 8 on its all-ti...Wikipedia <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Median_lethal_dose&oldid=575693635" rel="nofollow">now lists IMPA</a> as number 8 on its all-time high list of substances by non-toxicity – Right after water, table sugar, and vitamin C, on par with alcohol.<br /><br />The lethal dose (LD50) is 7000 mg / kg. For DIMP it is around 1000 mg / kg, meaning that an adult male could eat about 100 g before dying.Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-74512988233588804502013-10-08T15:54:12.708+01:002013-10-08T15:54:12.708+01:00http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp119.pdf p3-...http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp119.pdf p3-4 The document states that through drinking DIMP contaminated water, the metabolite IMPA is generated in the bloodstream. I found other documents confirming that IMPA is not unique to Sarin, but is also a metabolite of Dimp (=byproduct of Sarin, NOT degraded Sarin). In other experiments described in other documents, animals are fed Dimp. If the chemicals could be obtained for the experiments, they can technically be obtained for other purposes. I guess a sophisticated organization backed by foreign intelligence services would have no problem getting DIMP in pure form. They don´t need to make it themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-79311369630093134962013-10-08T13:20:37.770+01:002013-10-08T13:20:37.770+01:00Interesting. Can you provide a reference?Interesting. Can you provide a reference?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-5613008890599917492013-10-08T12:36:09.873+01:002013-10-08T12:36:09.873+01:00For completeness sake, IMPA in blood of victims is...For completeness sake, IMPA in blood of victims is marker for DIMP or Sarin. Dimp could have been administrated on its own without Sarin. Dimp is a lot less toxic than Sarin and is available on the market, sold by specialized labs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-78692950279634655322013-10-08T00:34:01.102+01:002013-10-08T00:34:01.102+01:00No satellite imagery,no communication intercept,no...No satellite imagery,no communication intercept,no forensic evidence,no post mortem analysis,no proper body count,no ballistic testing, "the mysterious weapons" trajectory calculations are speculative at best.They have yet to define what specific type of ammo and delivery system was used during the alleged Ghouta attack.I wont even mention the "sites" selection & witnesses testimonies.<br />In layman words,the so called UN report is a violation of every single scientific criminal investigation protocols.It reads like a UFO investigation report.<br /><br />So far we know that Bashar has CW capability,he probably has the determination to use his CW arsenal,but I am questioning the timing of his decision to use CW on Ghouta,which is in regard to Obama "red line" declaration,akin to committing suicide.Having said that,I have no trust in Russian explosive statements,they have yet to provide any evidence to back up their claims.What we have here is a game of counter propaganda Vs an official propaganda.Tara Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05238574438230091981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-12894764438850549602013-10-07T19:02:20.722+01:002013-10-07T19:02:20.722+01:00Benjamin smiles
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This is totally enough.<br />Therefore, do not need other fabricated evidence, a la, azimuth bent to the west by UN experts.Lucumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07601047267335818966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-44328120053035009432013-10-07T14:18:02.090+01:002013-10-07T14:18:02.090+01:00I'm not sure how strongly this applies to Zama...I'm not sure how strongly this applies to Zamalka:<br />1. This is relevant to light injuries, not deaths.<br />2. Hospitals in Ghouta were overwhelmed, so there was probably no attention given to anyone with mild symptoms.<br />3. Tokyo is much more populated, meaning many more people that can be misdiagnosed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-42598911029776303922013-10-07T14:13:59.427+01:002013-10-07T14:13:59.427+01:00You're welcome. Thank you for making it availa...You're welcome. Thank you for making it available.<br /><br />The video is nicely produced but uses so much faulty evidence that I prefer not to use it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-37844121495998915552013-10-07T14:00:03.805+01:002013-10-07T14:00:03.805+01:00What indications do you see that the evidence was ...What indications do you see that the evidence was fabricated?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-84496894767948360352013-10-07T12:07:16.446+01:002013-10-07T12:07:16.446+01:00"…let’s analyze the reports one by one…"..."…let’s analyze the reports one by one…"<br /><br />No, no, no<br /><br />Let's say, smiling Franklin looks at you from 100-dollar bills - this banknote is a fake. 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From Jobar, three urine samples tested positive for IMPA and from Saraqeb two blood samples tested positive for "regenerated sarin" (presumably the fluoride ion regeneration test for sarin-BChE adduct, harder to fake than the IMPA test). <br /><br />The paradox is that despite the positive tests for sarin, all those who have examined the reports of what happened in Saraqeb, including Brown Moses (http://brown-moses.blogspot.com/2013/05/was-attack-in-saraqeb-chemical-weapons.html) agree that it is highly unlikely that this was an attack using lethal chemical agents. The alleged means of delivery turns out to be plastic riot control grenades known to be in the hands of Jabat-al-Nusra. Yet according to the BBC one of those taken to hospital in Turkey died on the way (not clear if a sample from her was included in those sent to France). <br /><br />A possible explanation is that the riot control canisters were used to panic people into seeking medical attention for a chemical attack, and that sarin was subsequently administered surreptitiously to at least two of these people before they reached hospital in Turkey. pmr9noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-40544446582178090562013-10-07T09:34:15.868+01:002013-10-07T09:34:15.868+01:00Regarding the reported number of casualties, it ap...Regarding the reported number of casualties, it appears that self-reported casualties may be five times actual casualties.<br /><br />http://www.iom.edu/~/media/Files/Report%20Files/2007/Long-Term-Health-Effects-of-Participation-in-Project-SHAD-Shipboard-Hazard-and-Defense/SARINNERVEAGENT.pdf<br /><br />"Because of the nature of nerve agents and the terror they create, psychogenic effects are very common following their use or perceived use. In the Iran-Iraq war, soldiers would frequently inject themselves with atropine and insist they had been exposed to nerve agents, when all evidence indicated that they had not been exposed (Newmark 2004a). In the Tokyo attacks, over 5000 persons reported to hospitals to be treated while, by the best estimate, only about 1000 people were actually exposed (WHO 2001). Because of the high prevalence of psychogenic effects and the need for immediate treatment upon actual exposure, it is important to be able to distinguish between psychogenic events and actual exposure."<br /><br />It may be that many cases self-reported gas victims at a location had never been exposed to Sarin.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com