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I definitively don´t have enough expert...I give up! I definitively don´t have enough expertise to comment on this issue. I had this idea that recognizing a dead person should not be that difficult but I guess that is not a generally shared assumption....veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-30163704289754276092014-01-14T13:12:48.048+00:002014-01-14T13:12:48.048+00:00Definitely not teasing. Just trying to understand ...Definitely not teasing. Just trying to understand where you feel uncomfortable with the scenario.<br /><br />It's not just floor space. It's medics and supplies.<br /><br />The conventional attack in Moadamiyah was only at 5AM, so there was no confusion yet. All reports were from the Zamalka area.<br /><br />How is it obvious that a person is dead? Rigor mortis sets in only after 3-4 hours. In an emergency situation when you get a person without a pulse, you do CPR. Why not?<br /><br /><br />As to the Mint press story - It provides zero evidence. Just a few ambiguous quotes. Way below the threshold of what we usually require. If we are going to trust this level of evidence, then Moadamiyah was an M14 chemical attack beyond any doubt... (:Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-60591975276348987042014-01-14T12:53:27.366+00:002014-01-14T12:53:27.366+00:00The Mint press Yaya article was dismissed due to n...The Mint press Yaya article was dismissed due to not in line with the evidence. Maybe it is in line with some evidence???? It is just not in line with the M14 evidence which we know was planted... The info from the article might have some seeds of truth in it.veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-29273329846719719952014-01-14T12:45:56.806+00:002014-01-14T12:45:56.806+00:00No Sasa, that does´t seem plausible (are you teasi...No Sasa, that does´t seem plausible (are you teasing me??). <br /><br />First thing that doesn´t seem plausible is loading a truck with deadly sick people from Zamalka to M´yah not to get intensive care but floor space and nothing else. Remember, in the confusion, the average rebel doesn´t know where the rockets have landed! In the first confusion, Chemical weapons were everywhere, also in M´yah. How could they have known there was still floorspace available there (as if you would´t be able to get floorspace somewhere closer by!). <br /><br />Secondly this does´t seem plausible: "They don't know that these people are dead for 2 hours, so they do CPR".<br />I think a person being dead is obvious to anyone (especially if the person was already dead for 2 hours...), certainly to someone who knows how to do CPR. Maybe they believed a collective miracle was possible but that seems far fetched, don´t you think so?<br /><br /><br />veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-8473636737771999622014-01-14T12:04:44.252+00:002014-01-14T12:04:44.252+00:00Help me understand the problem:
I'm imagining ...Help me understand the problem:<br />I'm imagining they received a van containing some ten victims of a chemical attack. They don't have any other details. First thing they do is decontaminate. Then they check vital signs and see no pulse. They don't know that these people are dead for 2 hours, so they do CPR.<br />Sounds like a pretty plausible scenario. No?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-10084110853950825792014-01-14T11:46:44.313+00:002014-01-14T11:46:44.313+00:00Don´t think CPR will be very successful the way th...Don´t think CPR will be very successful the way they´re doing it. Decontaminating a DEAD body doesn´t make any sense either does it, neither does CPRing dead bodies.<br />"a truckload of bodies"? Come on Sasa, you know things don´t add up with the Zamalka scenario here! Love your sense of humor.veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-26073853561254120402014-01-14T10:25:42.235+00:002014-01-14T10:25:42.235+00:00Good catch on the guy moving his hand. weird.
As t...Good catch on the guy moving his hand. weird.<br />As to decontamination and heart massage - pretty standard. They just got a truckload of bodies from Zamalka. They don't know their history. They have to decontaminate and attempt CPR.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-80401436045102465732014-01-14T10:08:02.958+00:002014-01-14T10:08:02.958+00:00Petri,
I'm definitely open to alternative expl...Petri,<br />I'm definitely open to alternative explanations. What is the scenario you suggest for:<br />1. Multiple authentic-looking impact site, containing several spent warheads capable of carrying sarin.<br />2. Dozens of reliable eyewitness accounts describing nerve agent symptoms.<br />3. Videos (video?) showing panic in the streets.<br />4. Sarin findings on site and in blood.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-66742649701768700432014-01-14T08:13:50.677+00:002014-01-14T08:13:50.677+00:00Something happened in Darayya today. The Darayya L...Something happened in Darayya today. The <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Daraya4Media/videos" rel="nofollow">Darayya Local Council</a> YouTube account has published five videos of gas victimes in a field hospital:<br /><br />YallaSouriya: <a href="http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/syria-5-videos-of-wounded-due-to-using-of-poisonous-gases/" rel="nofollow">#Syria, 5 videos of Wounded due to using of poisonous gases in Daraya</a><br /><br />Some of the victims are given oxygen, some seem to be receiving atropine shots. Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-41750756096262150682014-01-13T15:26:43.254+00:002014-01-13T15:26:43.254+00:00Petri, No geolocation for the M´yah medical center...Petri, No geolocation for the M´yah medical center? Would be interesting to know where the MD1-3 videos were recorded...veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-51382599941121823052014-01-13T14:35:58.548+00:002014-01-13T14:35:58.548+00:00In MD1, the victims seem dead indeed(except victim...In MD1, the victims seem dead indeed(except victim number 2 with black T-shirt, he moves his hand). <br />In MD2 and 3, the victims seem to be alive. Why else would they be decontaminated (if transferred, would have expect contamination to be done in Zamalka) and be given heart massage ? The women in blue is even getting an injection, although she seems to have died (she is being held by the neck, strange...). She also seems to be the only women victim there.<br />I agree, the symptoms seem to be different from the later videos. <br /><br />Do you think they are getting specialized treatment there, enough to have them moved through a war zone? There seems to be less treatment there than in Zamalka.veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-5685559951963072942014-01-13T13:44:57.245+00:002014-01-13T13:44:57.245+00:00Sasa, I have not seen any evidence for a gas attac...Sasa, I have not seen <a href="http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Alleged_Chemical_Attack,_August_21,_2013#Murder_investigation.2C_part_2" rel="nofollow">any evidence</a> for a gas attack on Zamalka, apart from dead pigeons in Erbin on August 24. People were killed, yes, but there is virtually no evidence that poisonous gasses had been released into the atmosphere.<br /><br />"Activist say" type of evidence does not count. (Maybe you should start o page on witness testimony.) There is a total of 30 seconds of panic video from Kafr Batna.<br /><br />The only evidence that links the UMLACA rockets to chemical attacks is the Liwa al-Islam video. If that is fake, then there is little reason to believe that the rockets were the delivery mechanism, apart from – once again – "activist say".<br />Petri Krohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12630751579069253718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-75083631819185771492014-01-13T12:44:24.361+00:002014-01-13T12:44:24.361+00:00In general, looks very authentic. The most obvious...In general, looks very authentic. The most obvious thing is that everyone's dead. There is no one exhibiting symptoms of nerve agent poisoning. This is a good match to the theory of them being transported from Zamalka - you either recover or die by this time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-266018573889709422014-01-13T12:02:25.275+00:002014-01-13T12:02:25.275+00:00Sasa, what is your opinion on MD1 and MD3 Petri vi...Sasa, what is your opinion on MD1 and MD3 Petri videos regardless of where the victims came from? I notice strange stuff but I can´t imagine these scenes being staged completely.veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-7190564166272659942014-01-13T02:27:10.625+00:002014-01-13T02:27:10.625+00:00That part is definitely plausible. What I think is...That part is definitely plausible. What I think is implausible is staging the mountains of evidence in Zamalka without making any major slip-ups.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-47777404732139388052014-01-12T10:47:57.071+00:002014-01-12T10:47:57.071+00:00Sasa,
I think you are working here with the premis...Sasa,<br />I think you are working here with the premise that the only Sarin delivery mechanism are rockets.<br />1. You don´t need images of authentic-looking impact sites if the delivery mechanism isn´t a rocket. (alternative for M´yah: internal explosion in a building)<br />2. and 3. Maybe the public relation department in M´yah was less organized. <br />4. Same as in 1., who says rockets were the delivery vehicle? Very unlikely it were M14´s, no evidence at all for that.<br /><br />Possibly there is less evidence than in Zamalka, that does´t mean we should dismiss what evidence there is.veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-63364845968149510802014-01-12T02:07:31.791+00:002014-01-12T02:07:31.791+00:00I completely disagree. The evidence in Zamalka is ...I completely disagree. The evidence in Zamalka is far stronger, including:<br />1. Multiple authentic-looking impact site, containing several spent warheads capable of carrying sarin.<br />2. Dozens of reliable eyewitness accounts describing nerve agent symptoms.<br />3. Videos showing panic in the streets.<br />4. Amount of sarin matching the number of fatalities (Moadamiyah requires 50-100 M14s).<br /><br />Bottom line is Moadamiyah is an easy fabrication job (still done badly). Zamalka would be a huge effort, executed perfectly - probably the best in history.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-19476483234652678582014-01-11T10:49:03.027+00:002014-01-11T10:49:03.027+00:00Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks, Ver...Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks, Veritas. 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There's certainly no *overwhelming* evidence that the West Ghouta story is bogus and East Ghouta story is legit."<br /><br />Concerning the videos:<br />We accept Zamalka evidence as proof.<br />We try to explain away the M´yah videos.<br /><br />Concerning the UN report, (enviro samples):<br />We accept the Zamalka enviro samples as proof.<br />We explain away the M´yah samples (we say the proof is staged)<br /><br />Concerning the medical samples:<br />We accept the Zamalka samples.<br />Again we explain away the M´yah samples (victims test positive because they are not from where they say they are).<br /><br />Concerning the oral reports:<br />We accept the Zamalka reports as carrying some truth.<br />We explain away the M´yah samples (all untrue even concerning that there were any victims at all there).<br /><br />And the difference in treatment of all the evidence is because of the 1 badly staged M14...veritasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-41824429008164699652014-01-11T01:03:09.135+00:002014-01-11T01:03:09.135+00:00I still think the current explanation is the most ...I still think the current explanation is the most likely, but I must say the "second false flag" theory is starting to make more sense to me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-61682853313905166982014-01-10T19:46:32.762+00:002014-01-10T19:46:32.762+00:00From checking the Petri video time stamps, I think...From checking the Petri video time stamps, I think M´yah has some of the earliest videos. That makes the info extra valuable since no time for staging. Don´t you think the almost exclusive male victims ratio in these videos is interesting?<br />Maybe the combination with Paveway´s scenario just here above could be interesting. Let´s say the Vulcanoes were used in Zamalka (fired by the Liwa brigade as shown on video), M´yah was out of reach and to complex to stage another launch, so the false flag team had an alternative solution for M´day. A quantity of sarin was released by triggering an explosion in a building where it was stored. Maybe the building was close to a safe house of rivaling rebels (infighting avant-la-lettre). That explains the male victims.<br /><br />Of course the rebels didn´t want to show the crime scene to the UN (internal explosion would have been clear indication of rebel culpability), instead they staged the rocket scene. <br />On the outside terrace degradation products were found in trace quantities, because M´yah had been attacked and the apartment was somewhat in the downstream edges of the plume.<br /><br />That the victims were bussed in at that early hour does really not make sense to me. Before 6:35 there where already victims, not arriving there, but ´fully installed´ (check with the time reconstruction).<br />The only reason the idea came up of the victims being bussed in was to explain the lack of Sarin detected by UN in relation to the rocket. But degradation products were found, but not related to the rockets. Additionally the videos are there.<br />I think we´re attaching to much importance to UN analysis in relation to the M14. If Zamalka is a false flag, M´may may be one too with another method of dispersal.veritasnoreply@blogger.com