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That's really great to hear.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-76289169048640337922013-10-05T00:16:13.071+01:002013-10-05T00:16:13.071+01:00Sasa wawa.Great work as usual.I am glad your blog ...Sasa wawa.Great work as usual.I am glad your blog is reaching to a larger audience,you really deserve it.As far as I am concerned,from what I am reading,I don't feel any particular bias (unlike Brown Moses blog which is sinking into a "Syrian opposition" propaganda sinkhole).I also appreciate the fact that you take the time to reply to most comments. You may not be as popular as Brown Moses (yet) but you have integrity & show intellectual honesty,& no one can take that away from you.Tara Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05238574438230091981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-78611616014892740932013-10-04T00:44:22.047+01:002013-10-04T00:44:22.047+01:00leftside
The normal rules for evaporation change ...leftside<br /><br />The normal rules for evaporation change when the substance is in intimate contact with another material like cloth as compared to being in bulk form like droplets or in a beaker.<br /><br />Molecular forces from the host material as well as occlusion of the path to free atmosphere both tend to reduce evaporation.<br /><br />Free droplets will adhere to cloth and hair and usually tend to wick unless the material is repellent to the liquid - such as silicone treated fabric in the case of water.<br /><br />Gas can be adsorbed on cloth and hair at the molecular level. Depending on exposure type aerosol droplets can also be captured by the hair/fabric. Due to local processes these microdroplets can partly evaporate and the resultant gas become adsorbed on the material.<br /><br />I have never hear of 'gaseous crystals'. I doubt they exist.<br /><br />Any type of Sarin will behave the same if it is in the same physical state - gas, droplets, bulk liquid. The only thing I can imagine that might make a difference is if impurities in the Sarin acted as a wetting agent to make the droplets adhere and wick differently. That is pure speculation however.<br /><br />Any question about concentration of Sarin in 'military' or 'kitchen' sarin is pretty irrelevant unless you have orders of magnitude difference in concentration of active agent vs carrier/impurity.<br /><br />In summary. It's the physical means of delivery that's important, not the origin unless a particular variety has modifiers that alter its physical properties. And these modifiers would be easily seen in analysis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-12536961376760731902013-10-04T00:28:39.414+01:002013-10-04T00:28:39.414+01:00I'm not aware of any warhead except WP that ca...I'm not aware of any warhead except WP that causes a small crater, black/white scorching, and smoke. If you find any, it would of course be very important to know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-26872122010519943462013-10-03T17:46:47.826+01:002013-10-03T17:46:47.826+01:00In an attempt to be more clear, can you respond to...In an attempt to be more clear, can you respond to the following Charles. I just think it is an important point and I'm not satisfied there is not validity to it.<br /><br />The most explicit finding to-date (pre-UN report) comes from the UK’s Defence Science Technology Laboratory. Soil and cloth samples “tested positive for the nerve gas sarin”. The sarin in the cloth was in liquid form that soaked into the cloth. As discussed below, this finding reinforces the conclusion that “kitchen sarin” was used. Hence, so much will depend on the UN’s findings when their tests are completed.The claim that the agent used was a “military sarin” is problematic because military sarin accumulates (like a gaseous crystal) around the victims’ hair and loose threads in clothes. Since these molecules are detached and released anew by any movement, they would have thus killed or injured the first responders who touched the victims’ bodies without protective clothes, gloves and masks. However, opposition videos show the first responders moving corpses around without any ill effects. This strongly indicates that the agent in question was the slow acting “kitchen sarin”. Indeed, other descriptions of injuries treated by MSF – suffocation, foaming, vomiting and diarrhoea – agree with the effects of diluted, late-action drops of liquified sarin.<br />leftsidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00676827005815770066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-76637085680065265562013-10-03T17:35:31.694+01:002013-10-03T17:35:31.694+01:00Sorry for my ignorance, but is a bit of smoke eman...Sorry for my ignorance, but is a bit of smoke emanating from a rocket that has just landed that unusual that it points to only the use of WP? leftsidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00676827005815770066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-86872760399806277902013-10-03T15:12:35.585+01:002013-10-03T15:12:35.585+01:00A final nail in the concept of 'military gaseo...A final nail in the concept of 'military gaseous sarin' is the boiling point of sarin at 158C.<br /><br />Consider a gas cylinder of H2O gas at room temperature. H2O has a boiling point of 100C and a cylinder of vapour at 20C would pull a mighty hard vacuum as most of the vapour will condense.<br /><br />Sarin at 158C boiling point is even more difficult to contain in a gas cylinder. Like water it would need to be kept at elevated temperatures to keep any vapour at all in the cylinder. And even then the total mass of the vapour would be very low,<br /><br />So to get useful 'military' gaseous Sarin the cylinders would need to be kept at hundreds to thousands of degrees C and at very high pressure to get enough Sarin inside.<br /><br />No. 'Military Gaseous Sarin' is a fiction.<br /><br />This is not to say that Sarin vapour at standard pressure and temperature is not possible. But to get there it has to evaporate from a liquid whether it be 'military' or 'civilian',Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-71226324085695709292013-10-03T14:42:33.547+01:002013-10-03T14:42:33.547+01:00Great. Thank you!Great. Thank you!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-32584348618698661402013-10-03T14:33:13.579+01:002013-10-03T14:33:13.579+01:00Under any scenario Sarin will preferentially stay ...Under any scenario Sarin will preferentially stay in fibres and other traps that limit evaporation.<br /><br />In the article I linked, the protocols stated that washing hair thoroughly was very important. This is (I surmise) from deposition of aerosols or from adsorption of Sarin from the air.<br /><br />Military Sarin is invariably liquid until final dispersement when it becomes an aerosol or is sprayed on surfaces to evaporate.<br /><br />There is NO military gaseous deployment system for Sarin.<br /><br />'Civilian' Sarin obeys the same physics rules and so it will inevitably be in liquid form before deployment after which it becomes an aerosol or becomes a surface liquid evaporating Sarin vapour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-25926419180825671462013-10-03T14:18:17.276+01:002013-10-03T14:18:17.276+01:00Some people implied that underground sarin is liqu...Some people implied that underground sarin is liquid while military sarin is gas, and tried to use information about sarin carried out in fibers to determine the quality of sarin used in the attack.<br /><br />I understand we agree that is not the case?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-32555238849948869572013-10-03T14:10:11.489+01:002013-10-03T14:10:11.489+01:00I have no idea what you mean by the difference bet...I have no idea what you mean by the difference between "liquid Sarin" and "The stronger stuff"<br /><br />As I posted, Sarin in liquid form per gram is not anywhere as lethal as gaseous form. It's the same 'stuff' just in a different physical phases.<br /><br />The LD50 for Sarin in liquid form on exposed skin by one source is 1.7 grams. In comparison the same chemical inhaled can kill with a few tens of milligrams.<br /><br />Can you point out what sources are talking about 'liquid Sarin'? If they say anything other than what I write above then they will be the usual Internet Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt and of no practical use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-35155299450780501232013-10-03T13:49:40.623+01:002013-10-03T13:49:40.623+01:00Yes, the isomer information was new and interestin...Yes, the isomer information was new and interesting. Thanks for sharing it.<br /><br />What I'm missing now is a description of what liquid sarin is, and how it is different from the stronger stuff. The article describes sarin as a liquid without making any distinction, so I'm at a loss.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-9809032871844908802013-10-03T13:34:37.319+01:002013-10-03T13:34:37.319+01:00If you read the article fully you would have seen ...If you read the article fully you would have seen plenty of references to percutaneous transmission.<br /><br />That's liquid sarin. In particular the description of the UK subject dying from liquid dropped onto his forearm<br /><br />You also actually asked for information on isomers which this article provides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4304138063571120909.post-27163938549650319852013-10-03T12:33:43.406+01:002013-10-03T12:33:43.406+01:00Thanks but this doesn't seem to be related to ...Thanks but this doesn't seem to be related to liquid sarin.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16560859391032391947noreply@blogger.com